Counselling and Support Groups
Counselling
What is Counselling?
Counselling is talking to someone
when you are having difficulties in coping. The inability to cope with AGMC
survivors is because of the abuse, and counsellors know ways of healing from
abuse. A counsellor in simple terms is someone whom you can talk to
confidentially, who can suggest ways of dealing with problems and stress, who
will allow you to express yourself honestly, is non judgmental, and who will
advocate on your behalf. The counsellor is also there for you and not vice
versa. In other words a good friend but is also more objective and
professional. Counsellors can be called psychiatrists, doctors, psychologists,
counsellors, therapist, social worker who counsels, etc. I use the general term
counsellor to cover all of these
A counsellor is very important.
First you have someone who will genuinely listen to your problems. You do not
have to be alone with your problems. You can also express yourself. Your anger,
frustration, happiness, etc. You can also experience trust, maybe for the first
time. Counsellors are also people who see other survivors of abuse and so are
aware of what survivors go through. Abuse is not new to them. They are also
aware of the personal effects of abuse and how it can lead to not coping.
They can also help you deal with
other people in your life, other professionals, government departments etc, and
with perpetrators. They can do this by helping you to talk with them or
confront perpetrators. They can also advocate on your behalf with your
permission. Advocating with other professionals and departments is a simple
matter as there must be negotiation. With important people in your life the
counsellor can ask to talk to them and if the people are willing then
discussion can happen. With perpetrators, the counsellor can talk to
appropriate government departments and professionals.
By talking to a counsellor you are
not putting anybody else at risk. A counsellor is someone where the information
you tell him/her will stay only with that person. They will not tell a
perpetrator, an innocent family member or anyone. They will actually be
breaking the law if they do, let alone confidentiality. You do not need to
worry that it will go to the police or another professional if you dont want it
to.
Counsellors can be found in private
practice such as with doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists. They can be
found in publically funded government counselling services such as
psychotherapy centres, hospitals, sexual assault centres and Vietnam veterans
counselling services. They are also in publically funded community based
counselling services such as telephone counselling services and sexual assault
centres. And they can be found in religion/church based counselling centres
such as Anglicare, Careforce, etc. Counsellors like truly good professionals
will talk with each other and know who is dealing with what forms of abuse or
can find out.
Australian Government Mind Control
Abuse is relatively new to Australian counsellors. Some may know of its
existence, some may not. I am mainly living overseas at the moment and only
come back to Australia when I have to. This is to avoid being accessed and
reprogrammed in Australia. When there I see a counsellor in Australia who is
aware of AGMC through my education. However I do not know of other counsellors
who specifically work with AGMC survivors or who know of its existence.
The best suggestions I can offer is
to find a counsellor who works with extreme trauma such as rape, organised
trauma such as organised pedophilia and/or related abuse such as ritual abuse.
A counsellor who works in these areas should be open to understanding that AGMC
would exist. Those working with survivors of organised trauma can see that
government organisations and institutions such as the church can covertly
organise widespread and extremely criminal activities. Many ritual abuse
survivors are also AGMC survivors and so ritual abuse counsellors may already
be seeing AGMC survivors. For a more full understanding of finding an AGMC
counsellor please read the section on Finding a Counsellor on this specific
page.
There are many concerns for AGMC
survivors. The first is that the counselling itself maybe controlled by AGMC
perpetrators. The second is that there is deliberate programming to stop
survivors from getting truly good counselling. Lastly counselling in some
places by specific roles/professions or by specific individuals may remind the
survivor of abuse even though it is really good.
AGMC perpetrators do act as
counsellors in actual positions such as TAFE colleges, schools, hospitals, in
private practice etc. I was supposedly counselled by government perpetrators at
a Wollongong TAFE college. At the beginning of the session they will cue to
dissociate into a particular part and then reprogram all within the guise of a
counselling appointment. This is for two reasons; to either abuse directly or
to give the effect that by this supposed counselling, “all counsellors are
horrible” and to stop you from getting other counselling.
There are ways to avoid both the
perpetrators and the effects. First the survivor needs to be conscious of how
s/he went to this particular counsellor.
If the survivor has no conscious awareness of how s/he made the
appointment, who referred the counsellor, etc then the “counsellor” is a
perpetrator. The survivor/victim was programmed unconsciously to go there and
is fooled s/he is getting counselling
It is very important to be conscious when finding and choosing a
counsellor. Be aware of who the survivor is ringing or seeing and who is
referring the counsellor.
As mentioned before, being abused by
perpetrators acting as “counsellors” is also disruption programming. It is
intended to try and stop you from seeing another really good counsellor because
of the programming torture. The victim/survivor needs to see the difference
between the perpetrator and a really good counsellor. Use physical distinctions
such as face, hair, clothing, etc. Distinguish between the place of programming
and the good counsellors office in terms of town or service, etc. See that you
are actually present during the counselling and not dissociated and being
programmed like before.
Another concern is that
“counsellors” who work in private practice maybe perpetrators. Working by
themselves means less observance by other counsellors. It is important that a
sexual assault centre agency recommends a private practice counsellor as this situation
is open to agmc abuse.
Government funded centres maybe
remind the victim/survivor of government departments, and a distinction needs
to be made between the fascist elite of government and the positive aspects of
government. Really good people including politicians have pressured government
to get free counselling for people who are on low incomes such as sexual
assault centres and Vietnam veterans counselling services.
Finding a Counsellor who can work
with AGMC Victims/Survivors
As said before, Australian
Government Mind Control Abuse is relatively new to Australian counsellors. Some
may know of its existence, some may not. When in Australia I see a counsellor
who is aware of AGMC through my education. However I do not know of other
counsellors who specifically work with AGMC survivors or who know of its
existence.
The best suggestions I can offer is
to find a counsellor who works with extreme trauma such as rape, organised
trauma such as organised pedophilia and/or related abuse such as ritual abuse.
A counsellor who works in these areas should be open to understanding that AGMC
would exist. Those working with survivors of organised trauma can see that
government organisations and institutions such as the church can covertly
organise widespread and extremely criminal activities. Many ritual abuse
survivors are also AGMC survivors and so ritual abuse counsellors may already
be seeing AGMC survivors. Vietnam
Veterans counsellors may also be able to help.
The most important consideration is finding
a counsellor who is open minded and who can see that amgc exists. This could also be with general counsellors
or those that do not work in a specific area such as rape. The best way I can recommend is to go to or
ring a sexual assault counselling centre and see if they know of a counsellor
who can work with extreme trauma, organised crime particularly within
government departments and institutions or ritual abuse. You can tell them that
you are an AGMC survivor up front or when you see the counsellor. As said many
counsellors, even sexual assault ones may not know of agmc. They generally know
of ra which is similar and will simply need education.
Educating a counsellor is therefore
an important issue. The advantages for the victim/survivor with education, is
that it enables the victim/survivor to understand for him/herself what the agmc
and deployment is. By needing to be clear in explaining to the counsellor, the
victim/survivor also educates him/herself. The disadvantage is the time taken
which could be spent on more counselling in itself. The counsellor will educate
him/herself by looking up the internet, reading books or talking to colleagues,
so it isnt simply the whole responsibility of the victims/survivor/client. I
personally don’t have a problem in educating. It helps me to clarify what the
agmc is. If Im in stress, then education is put aside to work on the stress
just as with normal counselling.
Apart from whether
they believe in AGMC or are open to believing it, other considerations are also
important with finding the right counsellor. The major considerations are do
you get on with this person and like them, how much do they cost, will they be
stable eg not move, have lots of children, not go on holidays a lot, etc. Will
they fulfill most of what is expected- validate, act on your behalf, find
information, etc.
Some counsellors may
bring in their wrong beliefs and are pushy. This may include "saving the
survivor and supporter", seeing "men or women as the enemy",
etc. Travel is also a major consideration. In metropolitan areas, survivors and
supporters have many counsellors available. In rural areas, there is a shortage
of counsellors and so the survivor generally needs to find someone they can
relate to locally or travel. Gender is also another consideration. Most
community based services such as rape and incest survivor agencies are for
women and children only. Men need to talk to a government or religious
counselling agency.
The Cost. From my
latest information, these are the costs in counselling. They are general
estimations. They may differ because of individual services and with rising
costs. You/the survivor needs to check with the service. Counselling with a
government sexual assault centre is free. Community based services are also
generally free. Religious counselling ask for a small percentage of the income
which is sometimes not insisted upon. Doctors and psychiatrists can either bulk
bill (cost nothing) or ask for the 15% medicare levy. They generally assist by
bulk billing if you/the survivor are on benefits, allowances, pension or a low
wage. Private psychologists cost and are the most expensive. Most do a sliding
scale depending upon if you are on benefits, allowances, pension or low wage. You/the
survivor can see the cost as a consideration and not the total one. The most
important consideration is liking and trusting the counsellor.
Talking to Someone About Being an Australian Government
Mind Control Survivor
It seems hard at first to talk to
someone about AGMC. The victim/survivor has lots of threats and violence
supposedly against them. It also seems as if the victim/survivor is the only
person who knows about it. It is really important therefore to really trust
someone. From my and other survivors experience, counsellors and people who
have heard about similar abuse such as ritual abuse will believe the survivor
and will really support them. They will not call you a liar or betray your
trust. This only happens with cult members or family who are themselves lied
to. I have always been treated with respect and acceptance by counsellors and
concerned people and this helped me to talk about it.
As said before, apart from my
counsellor who didn’t know about AGMC before I started telling her, I don’t
know of a counsellor who works with AGMC survivors in Australia. The closest
specific resources I can suggest are
counselling places that have been recommended for ritual abuse.Counsellors here
would understand programming, government corruption, child and non consenting
adult pornography and prostitution, etc. They may also be seeing AGMC survivors
because ra survivors may have come out to them and told of this abuse as well.
If they don’t specifically know about AGMC, their experience in ritual abuse
counselling would lend them to be very open about accepting its existence and
should be able to help.
These ra counselling agencies and crisis numbers have been recommended
by Beyond Survival, a well respected ritual abuse survivor magazine, or have
been recommended by ra survivors that I know. Some of the telephone numbers may
have changed, so you may need to ring information for the new one.
Western Australia Perth Sexual
Assault Referral Centre (both genders) 9340 1828 24hrs; Incest Survivors
Association (both genders) 08 9227 8745 (9-4, closed Wednesdays) WA country
Sexual Assault Referral Centre (both genders) 1800 199 888 (local call) 24hrs
South Australia Adelaide Womens
Statewide Health Services (women) 08 8267 5366 (9-5, Mo-Fr)
Victoria Melbourne CASA House (both
genders) 9344 2210 (24hrs); Vic country Telephone Service Against Sexual
Assault (both genders) 1800 806 292 (local call) 24hrs Western Victoria Stawell
Community Health Centre (9-5, both genders) 03 5358 3700
New South Wales Sydney Sydney Rape
Crisis Centre (Women) 9819 6565 (24hrs) 1800 424 017 (local call NSW country)
02 814 319 TTY (answering machine); Mens Sexual Assault Service, Mens Group
(men) 9515 3680 (9-5); Wollongong Illawarra Psychotherapy Centre (both genders)
4228 7311 (9-5); Sexual Assault Centre (both genders) 4222 5408 (9-5); Sexual
Assault Mens Group (men) 4226 0333 (9-5), Careforce (both genders) 4229 7911
Australian Capital Territory
Canberra Rape Crisis Centre (women) 02 6247 8071 (9-5); Sexual Assault Crisis
Line (both genders, after hours) 02 6247 2525, 02 6247 1657 TTY (9-5) leave
message; Service Assisting Men Survivors of Sexual Assault- SAMSSA (men) 02
6232 7166 (9-5)
Tasmania Hobart Sexual Assault Services
(women, men referral, 24hrs) 03 6231 1811; Sexual Health (both, 9-5) 03 6233
3557. Launceston Laurel House 03 6334 2740 (both, 9-5) 016 181450 after hours
paging service
Queensland Gold Coast Sexual Assault
Service 07 5591 1164 (women, men referral, 9-5, 7 days); Sexual Health Clinic
(both, 9-5 weekdays) 07 5576 9033 Cairns 07 4031 3590 (women, men referral,
24hrs) Sunshine Coast Crisis Centre 07 5443 4334 (women, men referral, 9-5
weekdays); Qld Country Crisis Centre 1800 012 023 (women, men referral, 24hrs);
Brisbane Rape Crisis Centre (Women) 3844 4008 (24hrs); Gladstone Rd Medical
Centre Men Affected by Rape and Sexual Assault (MARS) (Men) 3844 9599 (9-5,
Mon-Sat); Male Sexual Assault Crisis Line (Men, 24hrs) 0411 220055
Northern Territory Darwin Sexual
Assault Referral Centre (both genders) 8922 7156
There are also many others that are
community based, government or religious that for reasons of time and energy
have not advertised their services with the magazine and are still able to
offer an appropriate service. Ring your local sexual assault centre and ask to
talk to someone who knows about ritual abuse or AGMC. They are aware that ra
exists and maybe able to help with AGMC.
There are also Ritual Abuse Survivor
and Supporter (RASS) Groups that are run by ra survivors and supporters. They
offer information, resources, education and/or emotional support. Again, they
may know of agmc and can help or refer. Unfortunately, these resources may also
be out of date.
Victoria Melbourne RASS PO Box 5,
Dingley 3172 (Information, resources and support)
Western Victoria RASS PO Box 485
Stawell 3380, 03 5358 1343 (Information and support)
South Australia Adelaide RASS
(women) C/- North Adelaide Womens Community Health Centre, 64 Pennington Tce,
North Adelaide 6005 (support for survivors and workers).
New South Wales Sydney RASS PO Box
63, Camperdown 2050 (Information packages).
Support Groups are also beneficial for
recovery. First they have other survivors who have been through the same abuse
and are in recovery, sometimes further along than yourself. Survivors are the
main source of information and eductaion. It is us who experienced it and know
what it is. Support groups can be people sitting in a room talking about the
abuse and expressing their concerns and emotions. There are mainly two types of
support groups where people meet. The first is run by truly good professionals
who are also observed by colleagues. These are in psychotherapy centres, sexual
assault centres, etc. The second are community group ones. The first are
recommended. It is very difficult to be abused in these as they have to
directly accountable to the centre. The second are not recommended as there is
very little observance. I have been abused in these.
Support groups can also be by email
where victims/survivors email in and express themselves or have discussions.
Revictimisation or when a victim/survivor is abused can happen on email. A perpetrator
posing as victim/survivor may write privately to a victim/survivor and
revictimise by using cues. Generally though, email groups are fine. You can
have anonymity in terms of not having to give your address, etc, and you can be
a bit more reflective as it is written. Email groups are also constant. You can
email whenever you feel you need to.
The disadvantage of support groups
generally is that victims/survivors are in their stuff a lot of the time and so
cant give clearer and more objective information which a counsellor can. The
advantage is that they are like yourself and know pretty well what you are
writing and talking about.
I do not know of a survivor group
for AGMC in Australia. Even Ritual Abuse survivor groups are rare. In each capital
and major city, there are sexual assault survivor groups, mainly for men or
women. The facilitator of the group is usually aware of ritual abuse and should
be open minded enough to be educated about AGMC. Again, ring the local sexual
assault centre to find out about the support groups.
Email Lists
From my knowledge there is no email list
specifically for Australian Government Mind Control. There are email lists that
are based mainly in North America and these are for ritual abuse, mind control
and programming. Some are private where you need to know a victim/survivor for
some time to go on the list. There are also publically advertised ones. A selection of publically advertized
email lists is at http://www.onelist.com/. Just type in mind control or programming in
the subject search.
Caution is needed. Even though list
facilitators and contributors generally are very safety minded, emailing other
survivors (both facilitators and contributors) can go outside safety measures.
There can be very little information with knowing who they are and not having
other people for feedback. This could lead to being revictimized. There are
actual cases of revictimisation through email and the internet. Most survivors
however have got a lot out of this support. I personally have not come across
any revictimisation. Use feelings and intuition, and whether you have benefited
from the discussions.